tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424144.post673391006773930627..comments2023-11-02T04:18:45.711-07:00Comments on blogfish: How to change the world in 5 easy stepsMark Powellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08121566220326246265noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424144.post-57587847187124668622007-09-14T09:16:00.000-07:002007-09-14T09:16:00.000-07:00re: MarkWell sure, that's the trick. But, there wi...re: Mark<BR/><BR/>Well sure, that's the trick. But, there will never be one perfect frame so I think lots of frames should be tried. But yes, I would want them to give up that comfort and my argument would be that it is not needed, that comfort can be sought elsewhere. It may sound like pie in the sky to you, but again, I think there is room for experimentation with different frames. Honestly, I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424144.post-23358866494825820792007-09-13T15:26:00.000-07:002007-09-13T15:26:00.000-07:00Matthew, Thanks, glad you're having fun here. Cr...Matthew, Thanks, glad you're having fun here. Critics of religion can frame giving it up as a gain, but how do people with religion feel about giving it up? That's more important than how critics frame it. If someone finds comfort in religion, do you really want to ask them to give up comfort? That's a tough thing to ask people to do. You can try, but realize you're asking a lot.Mark Powellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333424116503463839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424144.post-85019371733536037772007-09-13T15:24:00.000-07:002007-09-13T15:24:00.000-07:00Dorid, I agree that humans need a "burning platfo...Dorid, I agree that humans need a "burning platform for change" to get active and change. Some collapse or crash or failure is necessary to force change. But people don't like to go downhill first before going uphill towards solutions, IMO. Dealing with managers and decision-makers like elected officials, they tend to be very cautious and incremental in their approach. Don't let frustration Mark Powellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333424116503463839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424144.post-2795196436813101452007-09-13T15:19:00.000-07:002007-09-13T15:19:00.000-07:00Kevin, Interesting question. Consider something ...Kevin, Interesting question. Consider something near to you, our universities. In the 1960s, radical students wanted to remake the system. What happened? Their proposals were assimilated and we got things like gender studies classes and departments, etc. Universities morphed in response to pressure, the pressure was seeking revolution, the response was evolution, and the changes are popularMark Powellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10333424116503463839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424144.post-84941182061468848922007-09-13T09:20:00.000-07:002007-09-13T09:20:00.000-07:00Mark,In the context of religious faith, I would ar...Mark,<BR/><BR/>In the context of religious faith, I would argue that the approach that PZ, Dawkins, etc. is taking is not to sell people on atheism by using an analogy such as "tearing a house down." Because this implies that people are loosing something that is actually important and worthwhile having. They are trying to show people that by letting go of dogmatic, superstitious faith, they are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424144.post-16431407807707622862007-09-13T07:55:00.000-07:002007-09-13T07:55:00.000-07:00I think it's more a case that with the house being...I think it's more a case that with the house being rebuilt slowly over time there will be different types of suffering... maybe not as acute, but more prolonged. You can't very well rebuild the roof over one part of the house then come back and rebuild the other if the framing you're attaching it to is rotten. And if the very foundation is rotten, then you have a HUGE problem.<BR/><BR/>What we Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02474434988848889088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424144.post-82249715502685589412007-09-13T04:28:00.000-07:002007-09-13T04:28:00.000-07:00Can you give exampled of popular programs that hav...Can you give exampled of popular programs that have had success building upon old ideas or institutions?Kevin Zelniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14192385384151149566noreply@blogger.com