Monday, May 07, 2007

Intelligent design, overfishing, and scientific whaling

Can blogfish really tie overfishing to fake science like intelligent design and scientific whaling?

Let the record show that blogfish didn't start this debate. Fishery scientist Ray Hilborn said, using very strong language, that proponents of fish conservation are using faith-based pseudo-science similar to intelligent design. OK, let the debate begin.

First question, which side of the overfishing debate is more like the anti-evolution silliness of so-called intelligent design, as exposed by bloggers PZ Myers, Greg Laden, and others?

Fishery scientist Ray Hilborn equates fish conservation science with intelligent design pseudo-science, and says there's nothing wrong with taking most of the fish out of the ocean, in fact it's the goal of management.

But wait...who's really acting on faith when Mr. Hilborn and other fishery scientists recommend removing most of the big fish from a population in order to increase fish productivity? That's a remarkable leap of faith that seems contrary to common sense. Yet that is the upside-down belief of some leading fishery scientists, despite evidence to the contrary.

And let's bring whales into the debate, now that killing whales for science is now being rebranded as "ecosystem management." The so-called thinking is that without whale hunting, those darn whales eat all of our fish. Another example of rebranding a bad idea, like rebranding intelligent design by folding in a made up version of evolution.

To give proper credit, this was an issue raised first in blogfish comments by Rick MacPherson, who's doing great work over at Malaria, bedbugs, sea lice, and sunsets.

This debate has a ways to run before we know which fishery scientists are really using faith to bolster their conclusions. One thing is sure, the rhetoric is heating up so we may be headed for a climactic conclusion.

3 comments:

Mark Powell said...

Also appearing at gregladen.com under "Faith Based Science"

Edward said...

SPREAD THE WORD - Don't visit their countries, don't enrich them through the purchase of their products made there in Japan or abroad through their corporate locations around the world. This should also apply to other countries who violate human rights and inequality to other violations of nature, and inocense (animals). Countries like Japan only respond to the money they need from the rest of the world to sustain themselves from their exports.

CHALLENGE YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT to care about these issues. We can only do and live by our own actions and encourage those we know and love to follow our lead.

The body that governs the whales and allows Scientific research that provides Japan an excuse to hunt these whales under this premis, should make the products not sellable and require any one of these animals that is killed for "research" should be disposed of in a not for profit way. It is just right to take the profitability out of a research program.

When will the world governments realize the raping of our world helps increase the injustices in every country. From the haves to the have nots. Do we always need to take species to the edge of extinction before we act. Soon, and we are starting to see it, the world fish populations and getting smaller in size, and populations. The oceans can no longer support this corporate style over fishing. The small fishing towns around the world are not the problem. It is the large trollers with their wasteful dragnets that scrape the bottom surface clean and cause a devoid of life. If you were to eliminate the overfishing of these types of practices and smaller operations (within limits) could sustain themselves comfortably.

As you can see I have many concerns and can only live my life as best I can.

Do what you believe is right in your heart.

For me, go erwin. Good luck to you.

Edward said...

SPREAD THE WORD - Don't visit their countries, don't enrich them through the purchase of their products made there in Japan or abroad through their corporate locations around the world. This should also apply to other countries who violate human rights and inequality to other violations of nature, and inocense (animals). Countries like Japan only respond to the money they need from the rest of the world to sustain themselves from their exports.

CHALLENGE YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT to care about these issues. We can only do and live by our own actions and encourage those we know and love to follow our lead.

The body that governs the whales and allows Scientific research that provides Japan an excuse to hunt these whales under this premis, should make the products not sellable and require any one of these animals that is killed for "research" should be disposed of in a not for profit way. It is just right to take the profitability out of a research program.

When will the world governments realize the raping of our world helps increase the injustices in every country. From the haves to the have nots. Do we always need to take species to the edge of extinction before we act. Soon, and we are starting to see it, the world fish populations and getting smaller in size, and populations. The oceans can no longer support this corporate style over fishing. The small fishing towns around the world are not the problem. It is the large trollers with their wasteful dragnets that scrape the bottom surface clean and cause a devoid of life. If you were to eliminate the overfishing of these types of practices and smaller operations (within limits) could sustain themselves comfortably.

As you can see I have many concerns and can only live my life as best I can.

Do what you believe is right in your heart.

For me, go erwin. Good luck to you.